Top Ten Reasons Why California Is No Longer The Place To Be Or Move To

I don’t regret living in California, because it is truly a beautiful place and the weather truly is beautiful. In southern California near the ocean, anyway. It was nice to experience and I’m glad I was here to see the truth about what is really happening. However, after experiencing California, and after much thought and research, it would be regretful and foolish to stay here. It is simply not sustainable anymore and the quality is quickly degrading.

Honestly, if I could be free from extremely high taxes, massive immigration problems, extreme housing costs, increasing crime, and out of control legislative oppression, I would stay in California. I could deal with the flaky people. Without all those other issues, there would be no better place to be.

But realistically, that simply isn’t going to happen. Not anytime soon, anyway. The fantasy ideal of California has become but a fantasy, a distant memory, an emotional feeling that you can feel when you think about it or step outside ignorantly, but quickly forget when the first of the month comes around, or tax season comes around, or you look at your neighborhood, or you look at your paycheck, or you look at the fact you have no paycheck, or you realize you can’t buy a house unless you’re really stupid and think you can, or when your children become degraded both morally and psychologically from the political and cultural climate.

In fact, it’s quite amusing to hear people talk about how they love California, all their reasons will be because the weather is good, or because it’s good because of the nice weather, or because the sun is shining and the weather is nice, or because it’s warm outside because the weather is nice, or some other derivative of “the weather is nice”. This is because the only real benefit of living in California is because of the weather. That and the emotional ideal itself of “living in California”. There really isn’t any other reason.

California is on one of the steepest declines in quality of living in the nation. Taxes, housing, and immigration are some of the primary factors contributing to this decline. Whereas California has historically been a coveted and highly desired place to be, from both native Californians and other-staters alike for the past many decades, this is no longer the case.

However, it is true that there are still some happy Californians, but I believe that this is because they are either not aware of what has been happening in this formerly glorious state during the past decade and how it is affecting them and is going to affect them in the coming years; or because they are young and not yet directly impacted by the terrible changes in this state; or because they are older, probably a homeowner from the good days, and not directly impacted by the changes (yet) for a variety of reasons, or refuse to admit it even to themselves because they do not want to uproot their lives.

This is not just my own opinion. People are fleeing the state in droves, and the exodus is so great that few native Californians are left, and the massive influx of foreign immigrants masks the utter severity of the issue. Over 600,000 people are leaving California each year.

Articles about people fleeing California are a dime a dozen, every news agency is regularly talking about it. It has become so accepted and well known that the news are now talking about which states are best to move to, taking it as a given that people are fleeing and looking for an alternative.

Here are the top ten reasons why this is happening, why you should leave California if you are here, and why you should not come to California if you are thinking about it. You missed the boat, it sailed 8 years ago. California is no longer the place to be, and here are the top ten reasons why.

10 California People Are Notorious Flakes

California People Are Notorious Flakes
Why it made the list Ok so this one probably isn't new, so it's last on the list but still worth mentioning. Flaky flaky flaky. It isn't just your friends, it's the businesses, even people trying to sell you something are going to flake out on you. People are utter flakes. They say they will do something, but they never follow through.

This of course puts a huge strain on running a small business, because buyers and sellers alike will flake out on you. You want to buy something? Be prepared for the seller to flake on you. You want to sell something? Be prepared for 19/20 buyers to flake on you. My theory is that it's because the weather is so nice and the culture tries to tell people to do whatever they feel like, so people feel free from obligations.

As a result, people say things that mean commitments, but really they never made a commitment at all. Sure, they totally meant to follow through when they said it. But then something else comes up and they change their mind. This holds true for the poor and the rich alike in California. Sure, there are flaky people everywhere, but I have lived in several parts of the country, and Californians take it to an entirely new level of flakiness.

However, I could totally deal with this, if it wasn't for the next things.

9 California Legislation Is a Joke and It's Not Funny

California Legislation Is a Joke and It's Not Funny
Why it made the list 725 new laws (most of them either completely pointless or completely stupid) went into effect in the state of California on January 1st, 2011. Recent years have only gotten worse.

In 2011, California Governor Jerry Brown unveiled a "draconian" budget plan that included 12 billion dollars more in spending cuts and that maintains 12 billion dollars in recent tax increases.

A couple days ago, on October 7, 2015, California Governor Edmund Brown unveiled the worst "climate change" legislation in years, skyrocketing electricity costs and doubling legislative energy efficiency requirements, despite the fact that the idea of CO2 as the driver of climate change was debunked as a hoax more than 10 years ago. Just goes to show that California legislators and lawmakers are either stupid or unethical, using whatever reason possible, even lies, myths, and hoaxes, to increase legislation and destroy this once great state.

8 California's Education System Is Awful and Only Getting Worse

California's Education System Is Awful and Only Getting Worse
Why it made the list California’s state funding to K-12 schools fell 19% from 2008 to 2012. Prior to 2007, California's per-pupil spending was $10,687 (inflation-adjusted), which ranked 25th in the nation. After cuts incurred during the recession, California’s per-pupil spending dropped to $9,892, 39th in the nation. This amount is amount is $2,000 lower than the U.S. average. Other studies have shown that after adjusting for varied costs of living among states, California’s per-pupil spending levels are even lower.

While California’s per-pupil spending lags behind the national average, the state contributes a large share of its budget to K-12. Approximately 28% of state-only funds are spent towards K-12 education, which is the 12th highest budget share in the nation. However, these funds must be spread across a relatively high number of students. Approximately 16.5% of the state’s population are K-12 students, the 8th highest portion in the nation.

The funding shortfall of the California State Teacher’s Retirement Benefit System (CalSTRS) presents a looming threat to future school district budgets.

California’s low per-pupil spending is reflected in its low number of teachers. In 2012-13, California had a student-to-teacher ratio of 25-to-1, the highest in the nation and much higher than the 15-to-1 national average. This means that California students experience much larger class sizes (10 students higher), must share resources with more students, and teachers have less time with each student.

Compared to other states, California students rank poorly on performance measures. Over the last decade, California students have lagged significantly behind national standards. For example, California’s 4th and 8th grade students are in the bottom ten nationwide in both math and reading.

7 California Forces Liberal Ideologies Down People's Throats. Literally.

California Forces Liberal Ideologies Down People's Throats. Literally.
Why it made the list In one school district in California, children as young as five years old are being forced to watch liberal propaganda films that tout the benefits of "alternative lifestyles", and parents are being told that no "opting out" will be permitted.

Vaccines, which are proven to cause neurological issues, are being forced on the population. Children, including newborns are being given vaccines behind their parents' backs and without, even against, their parents' consent. Don't let your newborn out of your sight! Many infants have been killed by vaccines administered by deluded physicians against their parents' explicit instructions to never give a vaccine. Surviving infants are raised with permanent disabilities including OCD, Tourette's, ADHD, and other psychological disorders.

Children at schools in California are even required to get forced STD vaccines, even if they are not having sex. In other words, good children have to be infected with an STD because California legislation determined they want to cut down on STDs. There is a good way to really get rid of STDs - stop promoting feminism, forcing children to watch sex videos and homosexual propaganda in school, and allowing sexual advertising. Stop saying it's okay to "do whatever makes you happy" which is contributing to the issue. If people did not sleep around, there would be no way to catch STDs.

6 California Crime Rates Are Continuing To Increase

California Crime Rates Are Continuing To Increase
Why it made the list Not all cities are unsafe, but many are. Los Angeles, San Francisco, and many others are bad and continuing to get worse. Formerly nice areas are degrading, and crime is spreading.

Things have gotten so bad in Stockton, California that the police union put up a billboard with the following message: "Welcome to the 2nd most dangerous city in California. Stop laying off cops."

Anthony Batts, the Police Chief for Oakland, California, announced last year that due to severe budget cuts there are a number of crimes that his department will simply not be able to respond to any longer. The crimes that the Oakland police will no longer be responding to include grand theft, burglary, car wrecks, identity theft and vandalism.

The crime rate in the San Diego school system is escalating out of control. The following is what San Diego School Police Chief Don Braun recently told the press about the current situation: "Violent crime in schools has risen 31 percent. Property crime has risen 12 percent. Weapons violations (have gone up) almost 8 percent."

During one recent 23 year period, the state of California built 23 prisons but just one university.

5 California Is Terrible for Small Business

California Is Terrible for Small Business
Why it made the list It isn't just the people who are trying to get out; the businesses are moving too. California is the 48th worst state in the nation for business, following only New York and Hawaii. Excessive taxes are destroying small businesses and the middle class, leading to a mass exodus of small businesses to other states like Texas and Washington.

At one point last year it was reported that in the area around Sacramento, California there was one closed business for every six that were still open.

4 California Unemployment Is One Of The Worst In The Nation

California Unemployment Is One Of The Worst In The Nation
Why it made the list In some areas of California, the level of unemployment is absolutely nightmarish. For example, 24.3 percent of the residents of El Centro, California are now unemployed. Worse, this does not represent the real and unpublished unemployment rate, which is as high as 50% in some areas.

3 California Taxes Are Outrageously and Ridiculously High

California Taxes Are Outrageously and Ridiculously High
Why it made the list With some of the highest taxes in the nation, California taxes everything, from some of the highest state income taxes, to taxes on gasoline, food, water, tags, smog, luxury taxes, hidden taxes, and anything else you can think of. Tax tax tax. Can it be taxed? Let's increase the tax. To top it off there is the 8 - 9% sales tax rate depending on the county. California has the highest state sales tax rate in the nation by far at 8.25%. Some counties have a 10% tax rate. Indiana has the next highest tax rate at 7%.

More than 60% of a Californian's income goes to some form of taxes. Homeowners have an even higher tax rate due to the property taxes on absurdly priced houses. Fortunately the illegal immigrants don't have to pay taxes because they are illegal. Well, technically they have to, they just don't. Instead, the legal taxpayers subsidize their welfare food stamps, section 8 housing, and even spending money so the illegal immigrant population of 10 million illegals can all live for free which the legal citizens slave away and give more than half their income to the state and federal government.

2 California Immigration Problem is Out Of Control

California Immigration Problem is Out Of Control
Why it made the list Continuing on that note, the illegal immigration population is exploding with a massive influx of 500,000 illegal immigrants per year and 1.1 million foreign children born in the US to these illegal aliens.

This is costing U.S. taxpayers over $25 billion dollars per year, and of course only the law abiding citizens will be footing this bill since the illegal immigrants do not pay taxes. In some cities, 95% of the population is Mexican, such as Santa Ana; and in other cities, over 85% of the population is Asian, such as Irvine (another 10% are from other countries such as Pakistan or India). Don't believe Wikipedia! I could take a video today and show you not a single American for 5 minutes oh, there's one, okay Mexican, Asian, Mexican, Indian, Pakistani, Asian, Mexican. etc. I'm not even kidding, sometimes I don't even feel like I am in America anymore.

Nothing against Mexican-Americans or Asian-Americans, mind you. This isn't a hate against any kind of people. This is simply a disdain for out of control immigration. Most of these immigrants are visiting, on a work or school visa, from a foreign country such as China, or illegal from Mexico, are not citizens and have no plans to be, refuse to assimilate, speak limited English, and most importantly and worse, they send all their high-income earnings back to their home country, siphoning it away from the local economy. No wonder the state is suffering so badly.

Immigration alone is not the problem. Excessive immigration, combined with excessive illegal immigration and free welfare given to illegal immigrants, is the problem. Take away welfare and suddenly 90% of the illegal population will no longer have any reason to be here. The problem would be solved. Sadly, this isn't a total solution because the illegal population would just emigrate to other states and continue to steal welfare and live for free. The total solution is to take away all welfare for all illegal immigrants in all states. That would take care of the bulk of the problem.

1 California Housing Prices Are Out Of Control

California Housing Prices Are Out Of Control
Why it made the list With a small 2 bedroom house starting at $650,000, and a sub $500,000 house entirely nonexistent, housing is ridiculously out of control. People are taking out million dollar mortgages for houses that will inevitably fall in price, because what goes up must come down. They naively believe that the prices will continue to climb, and ignore the massive debt burden they are taking on, in a market that could make them lose their job any day and be stuck with a million dollar foreclosure and a total loss of an amount of money that could have fully paid off a house in another area.

California had more foreclosure filings that any other U.S. state in 2010. The 546,669 total foreclosure filings during the year means that over 4 percent of all the housing units in the state of California received a foreclosure filing at some point during 2010.

Renting is no better, with apartments in nice areas starting at $2,500 per month for a small 2 bedroom apartment (a large one starts at $2800), and $1,800 as the lowest for less nice areas, the renting prices are just silly absurd. And let's not forget that every single year the rent goes up $100 to $200. In a few years a 2 bedroom apartment will cost over $3,000 per month. That's just stupidly ridiculous! Add to that some of the highest electricity costs in the country, and even renting is unaffordable for most people who have below an upper-class income.

Image Sources: Historical Home Prices · census.gov   |   Historical Rents · census.gov

Independently, each one of the items I might be willing to sacrifice for the sake of living in a beautiful and gorgeous place like southern California by the beach. However, it isn’t just one or two items. It is many items combined seeping into every area of your life. The top three combined make California a wholly undesirable place to live. Every time I step outside and enjoy the perfect, beautiful weather, I try to find reasons to stay, but when I am honest with myself, it would be very foolish to do so.

Sure, this summer has been exceptionally humid in California, and this last week has been very hot, up to 100 degrees! Which is totally unheard of here. However, still, this is the exception rather than the rule. Moreover, the humidity is nothing compared to the east coast, even at its worst here. However, let’s reiterate that the sole and primary reason to stay is for the weather. That and the good Mexican food and fresh fruits. However, there are other places with good Mexican food and fresh fruits. Hence, the weather is the only real reason to stay, and that alone is not a smart reason to live in a place.

Even if you are extremely wealthy, California is no longer a place to live, but a place to get away and vacation. Unless of course you like throwing away your wealth. I certainly don’t. Worse, if you are poor or middle class, you absolutely should not come to California! At least if you are wealthy, you can survive, although California will try to bleed you for all you have. Even if you are wealthy, California is not sustainable. But if you are not wealthy, California is totally and utterly unsustainable.

Do you live in California? Were you thinking of moving to California? Want to share your experiences? Concur or disagree? Share your thoughts below.

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115 thoughts on “Top Ten Reasons Why California Is No Longer The Place To Be Or Move To

  1. My husband wanted to move back to Ridgecrest CA, we researched the crime rate and proposition 47, The crime rate has escalated in all CA cities and towns. The Ridgecrest Police Department closed its doors 2016 due to budget cuts in CA. We are grateful to you and your website John. We are renting now to find a safe place to try out. We are afraid to purchase a mortgage especially in CA. Please continue to advise the displace folks from CA that felt pressured to move away, we feel displaced too.

    Gina

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  2. I agree 100% with your blog! I left back in June of 2013 and suddenly I felt alive again and found myself.

    When I visited CA 2 years later, I asked this girl I like that works as a bartender if I looked different. She said, “You look exactly the same.” But inside I was totally different. I was myself again.

    You really get slammed from every side living in CA. Even if you are hardcore, it becomes unbearable living there. Then it really drains you physically and spiritually. So if you want to develop personally, I would certain recommend moving to any other state.

    I see my friends or extended family from CA, 99%of them have these bland Facebook photos and such a bland existance. You can just tell they never managed to blossom because they are living in a miserable place. Kinda funny, even if they have rich parents it is the same result.

    CA will become a place for super rich people and their slaves. It is no place for young people to live or develop. The soul has been sucked out by greed at every level.

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  3. Comments are still coming in. I now know I’m not the only who stays up late at night and randomly types things into the Google search engine like, ” I can’t live in California any longer.”

    I am in my mid fifties, male, single, no kids and have lived in California my whole life. I grew up in Fresno but also lived in Santa Barbara, all over LA and it’s various suburbs/towns, the Bay Area and towns in Kings and Kern counties. So I’ve seen a pretty good chunk of this state and it’s different populations. The only thing keeping me here are my two elderly parents who are in their mid to late 80’s.

    Everything I do now is plotting my escape. I’ve been slowly selling off all my unnecessary personal possessions and every spare second I have is doing research on where I’m going to move to when the time comes. I can not believe that in my lifetime I’ve seen this state turn into the cesspool that it is now. Previous commenters have already pointed all the negatives about the state.

    I used to believe that if I could live in extreme Northern California I’d be able to at least eke out some type of decent existence until my dying day. I have folders filled with information about Redding CA but I would still be within the boundaries of CA and be subjected to all the problems. Also, there are so many negative things I’ve heard about that place since I was a teenager that I can’t really verify but don’t want to chance encountering them once I commit to the move.

    I really have no idea where to go. Once my parents are gone that will be it. I’ll be alone with only one family member who lives up in the East Bay and works in Silicon Valley with their spouse and they show no interest in leaving. They have a 1950’s ranch style house that’s worth close to one million dollars. The house is so old that there is chicken wire that was used in the concrete stucco.

    What’s happened to CA and what’s going on with the rest of the country in terms of the young people and their attitudes has made me actually think about becoming an expatriot.

    Who knows…Maybe I’ll move to South Korea or China and teach English!!!

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    • Don’t leave America, just leave California. We need all the true Americans here! Head east. I know it seems like the whole country is bad but I assure you, the rest of the country is completely different. California doesn’t even feel like America anymore, and you realize how much once you visit some other states.

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      • No, the rest of the country is not completely different. SE NM is the same as CA. Being oilfield you would think it is conservative, yet I do not even open my mouth anymore. Also I can go to the bank and see one white person other than myself and that may be a bank teller. We must speak Spanish in order to work almost any job here. Having lived in both CA most of my life and WA, I came here about 20 years ago loving other cultures and respecting everyone as equal, teaching my child to do the same – until the last ten years or so here when the ‘minority’ population became more of a majority. This is when I saw an alarming amount of hatred towards anyone white.

        It gets very lonely and discouraging. You know, I wouldn’t know where a person could go, you can’t escape this anymore. Everywhere you go the WEB is – and mostly it is destructive. John, I know you were talking about how gmail knows all of your business – is there a way we could comment without our opinions being forever downloaded to the supercomputer?

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        • Hi Sue, the rest of the country is not perfect but it is still completely different than California. There are some liberal areas yes but in general almost the entire country comes nowhere close to California’s level of liberalism, with the exception of a couple places, like Manhattan NY and Albuquerque NM for example.

          It’s true, well comments on this blog are stored on TheTechReader’s private dedicated servers, not google servers.

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  4. Moon Beam should take in some homeless folks and illegals to his rich properties.
    I read he trades welfare for democratic votes using our tax dollars.
    I hope tax payers all leave before the next bubble. and how polluted with
    unsanitary conditions and trashed.

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  5. Found out from a rancher that NM is as bad as CA, a very liberal state.
    FYI.

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    • New Mexico is not as bad a California overall, but yes illegal immigration is very bad in NM, and New Mexico is a very blue state.

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      • Thank you John, I have learned so much from you and your website. You are saving us time and money as we try to find a better place to relocate out of CA. We will stay out of all your listed blue states.
        Thanks again,
        Robert

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  6. Wow, what a great article. My wife and I moved to California three years ago from the East Coast for work to the Bay Area. All I can say is that we are planning on moving in the next year or two back east. This article sums up everything we despise about California. The people in this state are cold and heartless. No one waves at you or smiles when you hold the door open for them. It has been a strange transition for us. Also, the traffic is unbearable and at times I feel like I spend the majority of my life here in California in a car. It is not a pedestrian friendly state. The rent prices, gang culture, shitty attitudes, traffic, no seasons, flaky people, pollution, crappy streets, and much more make California the worse place to move. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT move to California from the East Coast.

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  7. WOW, this article is soooo dead on. I am also a CA native and will never live there again. I was lucky to be a 70’s and 80’s child and see how great it was. Now that I am in my 40’s, I will NEVER move back there again. I just wished I could convince my family to move away from there but that won’t happen. Otherwise I would not even bother to visit. I cannot understand why ANYONE would want to live in a state ran by morons. CA was stupid enough to bring back a loser and flunky like Jerry Brown. This guy is not only a complete waste of life but also a pompous blow hard moron. I always said, if it’s Brown, flush him down. Too bad they couldn’t get enough of his stupid tactics the first time. Just for fun I wanted to see what a 15 foot Uhaul truck would run going from SLC, Utah too Garden Grove CA on a specific date and time. It was 273.00. NOW I did the same truck, same time and reverse the route too SLC, Utah FROM GG, CA and it was 498.00!!! So they are penalizing people for taking moving trucks out of that gosh forsaken heck hole. Amazing. I have always said, if your going to do a horrible crime, do it in California. This is one of the biggest reasons why child predators LOVE California. Perfect place for them to prowl.

    The laws there protect rapists, pedophiles, serial killers etc. Now that CA is making gun ownership even more hard, it’s going to get worse. Too bad the people who can’t afford to leave are stuck living in fear that they may wake up in the middle of the night to see some freak in a hoodie lurking over their bed. In CA someone breaks into your home and you do kill them, dump the body down a dry well in the Mojave and keep your mouth shut! After all, in CA if someone breaks into your home and you just hurt them, they will sue and they WILL WIN. Remember, in CA you have no rights, the criminals do.

    John you sir are a DARN GOOD WRITER! Keep it up!

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    • This is very true about the moving trucks. This is because there is a mass exodus from California, so the way moving truck rates work is supply and demand. Since there are few people moving to California and many people moving out, there would be no trucks left, so the moving truck companies need to actually drive their own trucks back to California in order to have any available for people to move.

      Also, California moving truck companies want to milk Californians for every penny, so they double the rates above their actual cost. During high demand times, the price is even higher.

      You are very right about trucks being half the rate, but trucks going cross country are 3 to 4 times the rate out of California than into California. I paid just $400 bucks for the moving truck but I had to pick it up from a different state outside of California. It was worth it, I saved over $1,000 bucks doing that.

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  8. John, this place is so bad now and now we are moving back to Georgia the red state. Thank you for your blogs. We are leaving asap we can’t retire here anymore, are taxes are so high for water sewer rates, paying for everyone’s bills.

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    • Thank you for the articles you pasted into your comment, although I could post that because we can’t paste articles from other sites into this site. However thank you for your comment and input, and I took a look at the articles you pasted.

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      • Thank you John for your assessments, it’s really bad now I hope you post more. I understand it’s a state that will give excessive fines and make criminals out of good folks. If you hear new things please alert us so we can feel better about being invaded out of our homes and forced to move to a better place.

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  9. Big water usage penalties & tickets sent to customers for using water, no grass anymore allowed.
    Fines can be 500. a day and up to thousands a day. Calif measures the water each house uses and
    publishes names of persons. This is fascist.

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  10. I’m a San Francisco native currently living in Madrid, Spain – been here for 6 years and was thinking about moving back.
    All your points are totally valid. Great article. Helping me decide that it’s best to stay put. Miss my friends though 🙁

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  11. Oh dear! Help!!!

    We are considering LA or Santa Clarita area and have never lived there! I believe everything you say but it’s so hard to not try it when it’s on the bucket list. I do not want to be a fool either! My husband is a full-time drummer in South FL and would love to experience the music life there because we think it has more opportunities to offer…? Of course he would have to start from zero.

    I have an 11 year old daughter and I am worried about her school education. I am a substitute teacher/realtor and drive Uber. I wonder if we will make ends meet! The article is great and sincere; the comments support everything you say and yet I still wish we had a crystal ball telling us if yes or no, but this discussion might be that crystal ball!!! I don’t even think of auditions although I studied acting. I will first have to find a way to survive and raise my daughter to then go out and venture.

    So… why the notion of LA is the best? California is the place “to be”? It’s a flake? We are in the process of making the final decision and this article makes me want to run away before I even get there! And what of my husband’s dream? I know deep in his heart he feels he needs to go and try things there! We would go to start from zero with no jobs and we are not rich at all.

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    • If you are a musician you better not go to LA unless you want to be homeless. The good news is due to the great weather when you are homeless you won’t freeze to death in the winter. The bad news is that if you make less than $100,000 per year for one person then you cannot even make end’s meet which is just rent and food due to the extreme cost of living. Moreover, there is no music scene in LA unless you are in a mariachi band. Don’t be fooled, hollywood is one big fat lie.

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      • You are totally correct, that is all fallacy about CA and LA show-business. Thank you John! You are saving lives by exposing pure
        the truth.

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    • Good luck. I am affluent and moved out at at 52 and my hubby at 62. We lived and owned two homes one on the beach in Santa Monica and one in Palm Springs. I was offered a great position as a money manager in North Carolina and we bought a home in Cocoa Beach on the sand …

      The state tax on NC is higher for me than CA but FL has no state tax. I would never move to the valley the air quality is the worst and the area offers nothing.

      I love Manhattan. LA has no rapid transit and you have to have a great car, I have an Audi 2017 Q7 so if you want to get to work 10 miles away from where you live, expect a three hour commute 1.5 hours each way.

      If you work out of your home, you’ll make it.

      The pay is as high in Charlotte NC as Los Angeles.

      We are retiring in Naples Beach Fl or Charleston waterways South Carolina, both I can easily spend million on a home or 500 and fix up stuff as I go.

      Earthquake insurance has a 25k deductable, we never had it.

      I was raised in Pacific Palisades/ Bel Air and my husband Beverly Hills CA.

      Go to Washington, Seattle or Texas or the eastern seaboard. If you must have dry weather, there is AZ, CA, NV west of the Rocky’s. Parts of Oregon, Portland is supposed to be nice.

      Live on a huge river.

      They build homes in hurricane areas out of concrete, no termites, and you have hurricane shutters on all four-pane windows. That’s how most homes come. Cocoa Beach to Saint Petersberg a great 4000sf home or a great 2000sf home can be bought for 500k. Great freeway system like cali without the traffic.

      I’d go to Florida, I love it there and I love Marina del Rey beach California, but the traffic is horrific and it is an affluent area.

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    • I hate Santa Clarita, the jobs are scarce in that area, and check it out and make sure you have employment before you go. The air quality sucks, its the NE San Fernando Valley. If you like dry weather and bumper to bumper traffic or work out of your home you’ll make it.

      See my former comment, it’s all marketing for California since they are losing a lot of the population to other states and big business/industry has been moving out of Cali since the 1990 in full force, and prior though I was too young to remember. I had a window of opportunity to leave California in 2007 and I took it.

      The traffic will drive you insane, one day to travel 50 miles, and 10 miles to work, 3 hours daily on average. You have to have a great car. I have an Audi Q7 2017 and that’s good enough. If you see a job advertised in your area, the pay will suck, the work is about like Florida. I love Florida, for retiring and we have a vacation home their which we love.

      California, my husband from Beverly hills and I was reared in Pacific Palisades and Bel Air.

      California is the best weather in the world, though some people like cool weather. If your thin, like me, warm weather was the only thing keeping me their and a career I could not leave until I was 50, it involved a family engineering firm.

      I love Manhattan. LA has no rapid transit and you have to have a great car,

      If you work out of your home, you’ll make it.

      The pay is as high in Charlotte NC as Los Angeles.

      We own a second home (we don’t rent out) in Cocoa Beach on the sand but there are too many renters so we will sell it and sell our Charlotte NC home, list it next month.

      I am retired and my husband is retiring as soon as Charlotte sells, then we will retire in Naples Beach Florida, or Charleston SC on the waterways and have one acre of land at least, a Victorian home with an elevator from the garage stopping at each of the three levels. It’s 3300 sf. on Over 1 acre of land and has a private boat slip and dock and garage dock. We want privacy galore and both places offer it. Mt Pleasant Charleston is nice, nicer than Beverly Hills for living and working and retiring.

      I do not have family left in Cali, except for one set of cousins. You could send me a first class ticket to LAX and I’d mail it back.

      I might meet up with my cousins in Palm Springs CA but for a few week vacation.

      In NC, on Lake Norman it is hard to find a small home and we have no children or siblings, just a hubby of 34 years. For what we want, boat dock and at least on acre of land and remember we are retiring so this is not a starter home.

      NC Lake Norman the homes are about 5000 to 10000 sf an at 400k-12000000K. Charleston and Mt. Pleasant, the homes are smaller, with a boat slip, private dock, private pool, acre magnificent views of the water and skyline, is a little pricey, but we have to have great water views and a pristine acre of grounds and the house should match what we have which has everything minus the elevator. My husband has had four knee surgery’s and it would make his life better.

      Charleston has a lot of work, and Charlotte NC has a ton of work combined with Durham or Wake Forest, you’d be employed for life. We are moving to have views and more land and privacy since we bought a house close to work, that was our main thing. 2500 sf, two stories, granite counter tops, duel master baths upstairs and down, master down, walkins, bay windows, huge amount of natural light, 35 foot ceilings, new roof, new ac, stainless appliances high end and all the up grades for 300k

      I’ll need to pay 600k to 700k in Charleston for what we have, but we will, since we will sell Cocoa Beach too. We need the land, we want grounds and privacy and Charlotte does not provide it for us, at least not in our home next to our work.

      Why Cali, really there is nothing great about that State unless you plan to be self employed and work out of your home. Or have a lot of money and want to rent or lease on the beach?

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    • We moved out of CA at the end of October. The crime is out of control. There are no consequences for criminals because of the laws that Governor Brown has passed. Felonies are now misdemeanors, etc. I started a huge online neighborhood watch group for the 5 cities near where we lived and I’m telling you that a day doesn’t go by without getting mail and packages stolen, cars broken into, houses being hit, etc. I’m talking in neighborhoods with average prices of $600,000-$800,000. It never ends. Thugs come out of LA and go to nice neighborhoods where there are no bars on the windows to steal!!!! I would highly urge you to NOT go. Crime has increased so much over the last few years because of the laws that have been enacted. There are so many homeless people that are mostly drug addicts. If they werent on drugs, they would be living in a shelter or getting a job. I was hit up TWICE one time in the same drive through line by people coming up to my window!! Also, this article failed to mention how much you will pay for electricity. We moved from Ohio to CA in 2013 and our first electric bill was $660 and I almost had a heart attack. CA charges you more per KwH. the more you use, the more your rate goes up. I was paying 4X the amount in CA for the same amount of electricity we used in OH. Same with water……had the sprinkler system set when we moved in and I had no idea how much water was. Our first bill was $550 for 2 months worth of water.

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  12. Glad I lived in CA in the good old days. Terrible place now. Traffic alone is pitiful. That and the Chargers have to deal with more away fans than locals. CA sucks the life out of you financially, spiritually. ABC, anywhere but CA.. It’s like watching dirt go down the drain. Good burritos though.

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    • People say good burritos, honestly I think the burritos there are no better than my frozen burritos from the microwave. Burritos are just beans and cheese and meat and wrapping, it’s really not hard to make, anyone can make a burrito. You don’t need to live in California. Plus, south Texas is basically Mexico so you can go there to get genuine Mexican food if you really crave it. But I didn’t notice any difference between “genuine” mexican food and frozen burritos.

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  13. If California is going to recycle sewer water why don’t they save the taxpayers money and give a cup to everybody so they can drink out of their toilets….

    Environmental Engineer for the EPA, (This is Julie’s friend from CA)

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  14. After my mom passed in 2014, I sold her house and bought a home cash (Central OR), paid off debts and have cash in the bank. I don’t even miss the California weather, it’s cold and snowy during the winter and hot during the summer with plenty of outdoor activities and people don’t go around trashing up the campsites. Far better place to raise kids.

    I couldn’t love where I live more, it’s a conservative, but unfortunately the liberal folks in Portland far outnumber us.

    You forgot to mention some of the worst traffic and pollution too!

    The only thing I miss about California are my friends, whom I always try to get to move up here, but most have too many family ties in California. I have the feeling when their parents start kicking the bucket, the attachment to the area will fade fast.

    The grass is certainly greener outside of California…. And you won’t get fined for watering it!

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    • We totally agree! Thank you all for sharing. CA is using bad water I can’t mention (sewer) recycled into drinking water. It’s all on the record and the property is not worth living there for even free. I am sorry for all our loss. Thank you for your website and letting the natives of CA voice their loss.

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  15. My friends were forced out of Palm Springs and moved to Yucca Valley CA for cheaper housing. They are low income compared to non retires, no jobs there and most are on welfare and renters with multiple renters in a rental or purchased home. I miss CA but not the crime and ever changing liberal politics. It is really sad we lost a once great state and family, memories. It’s now an evil place to be.

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    • My CA friends are retired, move to Yucca Valley from Palm Springs because they could not afford to retire in Palm Springs. They complained about the crime and high sewer water taxes for each house and vacant lots, multiple families per home. That small town became over crowded with poor standards of living, high taxes, bad drinking water. They are moving to AR for a better retirement and more house for the money. They are from GA and lived in CA 30 years and noticed the decline in quality of life.

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  16. They stabbed it with their steely knives, but they just can’t kill the beast.

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    • This reminds me of a scene from Chronicles of Riddick – “Kill the beast while he’s wounded!”

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  17. I was born and raised in SoCal. After nearly 35 years here Ive finally decided to make the move, leaving behind a lifetime of family, friends, networks, favorite places, etc. This place has changed for the worse in so many ways. I dont know if many of you can relate but there is just an auora of stress that looms over you when you’re here. Maybe its the traffic, the terrible attitudes of people, the cost of living… but i dont remember it being this bad when i was younger, and a lot of my friends agree… or maybe its just me lol. We had our offer accepted on a house in North Carolina today and couldn’t be happier to be getting out of CA. We’re trying to recruit our friends and family to open their eyes and make the move, and hopefully once they hear our stories of a simpler, more affordable life with many new friendly faces and positive attitudes, that they’ll consider it as well.

    Good luck CA you’re gonna need it

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    • I was born in San Diego, lived there for 24 of my 30 years on this planet – I left in 2014 and haven’t looked back. The only reason I’ll return to California is to liquidate my parents’ assets when they die. I seriously hate that state.

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    • I moved after 50 years, hubby 60 years from our two homes, no mortgage, one in Palm Springs and the other on the beach in Santa Monica.

      I was offered a great position with a firm on the east coast and so we moved to Charlotte North Carolina and also bought a beach house on the sand of Cocoa Beach.

      There are so much industry in Durham and Charlotte that you’ll never be out of work. Charlotte has Lake Norman which is huge larger than Big Bear lake.

      We are retiring to Charleston on the waterways and with a home with a boat ramp and slip. or Naples Beach Florida.

      Our Cocoa Beach home is 2000 sf and we want 3000. Problem with the Carolina’s is it is very hard to find a small home, we do not have children, just dogs. And there are a lot of HOA’s in Florida.

      Florida is reasonable, Charleston is pricey but a lot of Corporations are in the Mt Pleasant and Charleston area, and the home we were looking at was a Victorian, with an inside elevator taking you from your garage to each level of the house, three stories and on over an acre and a great neighborhood.

      Naples Beach is for old people like me and there is no State Income Tax in Florida.

      I like the humidly, I hate dry weather to live in all year long. Palm Springs I had to leave during the summer to our Santa Monica beach home. But at that time I was working most of the time out of the house.

      If you have money or a great career go to Cali but I don’t know why you’d want to unless you have family and friends their. The traffic caused road rage and that it when I was looking for a reason to leave.

      Hawaii is great but no work.

      Texas ? It is dry heat if you don’t like humidity. I love Dallas.

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  18. I’m ready to leave California. I live about 35 miles north in a town called Petaluma. The price for a 2 bedroom is $2500, realistically who can afford that. Everyone that lives here commutes to San Francisco which is about 2 hour drive. Google is about to move to Novato which is 10 minutes from here.

    If you don’t work for a tech company or have rich parents, there’s no way of making it here. Most of my friends live at home with their parents, no one can afford rent and the friends that I know that have moved out of this state live better lives. Also transportation sucks, too many Mexicans, Asian property investors are buying up all the property driving up rents.

    Life here just keeps getting worse, large companies are taking over so no more mom and pop shops; Starbucks, Habit Burger and Chipotles on every corner. By 2060 the population of this state will be 60 million, by 2040 52 percent of the population will be Hispanic, 27 percent white, 15 percent Asian and 5 percent black. All the freeways are parking lots, transportation is a joke, homeless people everywhere.

    San Francisco is a dirthole full of whiney liberals. Everyone brags about how much they make but they don’t have homes and they complain about money when they go out and finance a brand new car. I’m ready to sell this house take the equity out and live a better life. FORGET CALIFORNIA and if anyone wants to move here don’t! It’s a false hope.

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    • Hi Will, I agree with you about the things you said. Also the population of whites is less than 27% already, when you count the millions of illegals. Already in many areas of California the population of whites is 0%. By 2040 there may be a 5% population of whites left. The demographics stats don’t include illegals because they knew if they did it would reveal the real truth.

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  19. What an excellent article and discussion. I have been thinking about leaving California for awhile. I have lived in Southern CA (SD) for 35 years. It was a different place 35 years ago. Now with a family and 4 kids, two in college and a very over worked husband, I feel we are sliding backward and not really able to save much for retirement.

    Also, my grown kids will never make it in San Diego and so they won’t want to live here. Too expensive and not enough jobs. I’m encouraging them to stay where they are if they find work after college. One is in Sacramento and already has a job, graduating soon. The other has 2 more years to go in Spokane at a college there. I have homeschooled my kids up through 8th grade to avoid all the public school nonsense and liberal agendas, but they are now getting all that through their college. Not sure it will stick though. But still having 2 kids at home, and a house that easily sells for over $700K, I think we need to leave California.

    The only way for us to get a lower stress life is to sell and move to a lower cost state. My first choice is Northern Florida where my sister and Mother want to move to. I was raised in Florida and always held onto the notion that California had better weather, but at what cost. My husband thinks he may be fired soon, to make way for a younger engineer and maybe even a foreigner! His company hires foreign born computer engineers who have a completely different work culture.

    They are all about pressure and results, very little human caring. No more camaraderie. Just work, work, work, pressure, pressure, pressure! His health is failing because of it. The thought of moving to back to my home state of Florida has been on my mind so much! I’m not sure I can bear to wait 2 more years for my 3rd child to graduate from High School. But I am sure I will, and maybe it will be a good time for my husband to start applying for a job in Florida at a not so high stress company.

    We have 10-15 years to go before retirement. I know the sale of our current San Diego home will help us to buy a home in cash where we are thinking of moving to. I just hope it will be the right decision. I suppose I have to re-acclimate to the humidity. I know I can do it, and thank goodness for A/C! Besides, I stay indoors all summer where I live in San Diego because it is so darn hot most of the time. Anyway, I have enjoyed reading all the comments and what other’s are thinking. I’m so glad I’m not alone.

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    • Hi Michele, I feel your pain. Don’t worry, actually you will be surprised how well you re-acclimate to humidity. Actually the low humidity, even though it feels great, causes dehydration and is bad for the skin long-term, especially the eyes which dry out quickly. Also smart choice homeschooling your kids! That is the only way to go in California, the public schools are a disaster on so many levels in California.

      Other states may not be perfect, but when compared to California, it pales in comparison. Other states’ problems are nothing compared to California’s problems (except select areas like Washington D.C. and New York). Plus, when you sell that near-million dollar house and buy the same size house with cash for ~$150k in a normal state, and with no mortgage and no stress about money anymore, your quality of living will go up drastically. Just be careful and spend and save your new-found wealth wisely! The leftover $600k can last a lifetime if you use it right.

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  20. I gotta say, I’m Irish and I lived in LA for 12 years, since I was 19 from Ireland. And I moved to the UK when I left LA. I left because I loathe the flakiness of people most. People are full of B.S. No one ever follows through in personal life or in business. It’s highly unprofessional and should you dare want to achieve anything creatively, unless nepotism is on your side, take a ticket and get in line to have smoke blown up your ass or you can do what many smarter people than my young 19 year old self did, go to a culture that appreciates you for your talents, whatever they may be, if you’re a wannabe lawyer, New York or London, if you’re a trainee doctor, Canada or Australia. If you’re a writer or into the arts, stay in England or Europe! For your own sake, DO NOT MOVE TO CALIFORNIA! It’s a tyrannical Liberal garbageshow too and everyone is flaky as heck! They will always talk the talk but never walk any type of walk.

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  21. Looking to move away from CA. Any suggestions city and state?

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    • Ideal moving locations are a guarded secret, since we don’t want liberals flocking there in droves. However, a safe bet is most anywhere that is mostly conservative.

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  22. I honestly could not agree more.  I have had 19 years here off and on, and I am calling it quits Nov. 15th

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  23. Enjoyed this read, really did.  Agree with ALL of the above reasons.  I worked for two counties in California, and…  Yikes.  The NorCal and SoCal gangs are out of control and now the Salvadorean gangs are coming into the state.  For 6 years we lived in the ‘honeymoon’ cottage at $850/month, a one bedroom 400 sq ft.  And that was a steal at that time.  We could not get approved to move anywhere, no matter how hard we tried.  We tried to get into a 2 bedroom apartment 5 years ago and it was $800/month.  Tried again 2 years ago and it was $1200/month.  This state is going to hell in a hand basket, and is NOT NOT NOT a place to live.  You can’t.  Unless you bought a house back in 1980s, forget it.  And it’s only getting worse.  Gang shootings are more common than the ocean tide.  Yeah, people fall inlove with the IDEA of living here.  The IDEA is often uneducated or a simple dream.  Unfortunately, it’s expensive to move too.  But, worth it if you can pull it off.  We moved out eastward, and it’s…  Worlds better than California.  WORLDS better.  Like many, do your research and it won’t take long for anyone to realize California will not be getting better unless a series of miracles happen.  But, with current polls and increased likelihood of California retaining a liberal dream, probably not going to happen.  Like I’ve told many people, California is a great place to visit, NOT a good place to live.

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    • Hello, even some retired people who worked in law enforcement told me
      they will not visit there, they are uncomfortable just driving there across the
      state line.

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  24. Hey John, I hate California too 😛 The flakes, the taxes, the over population, the eco nuts, the corruption, the laws, the PC culture just makes me sick. Also I don’t like that they are exposing children to sex so early. Like, let kids be kids.

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    • I plan on being in Colorado in two years.  Unfortunately my husband works for a judge and is on a 2 year term.  It would be career suicide to bounce out early.  Orange county to Colorado… I cant wait.  It seems like paradise.  Also, I truly believe this drought is not ending and housing is going to tank for real in 15-20 years after people are forced out. Historically, it is not uncommon for a drought to last a century.  I plan to be living in a cute suburb of Denver before then. They get droughts and wildfires but not like us. 

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  25. Many Californians come to Colorado and Texas and try to push the same things that made Cali miserable. So to anyone leaving California, please be respectful of the places you move to and remember that you left Cali for a reason : )

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  26. After 17 years here, I’m plotting my escape. California is significantly not as advertised for all the reasons listed in this wonderful article and for many more. I’ve never met so many untrustworthy, drug addled, delusional, bitter and miserable people in all my life. No one is sincere…a man’s word is not his bond around these parts. Most women are impossibly self absorbed. If you are white you are entirely a minority. If you are not a liberal you will NOT fit in, ever. The second amendment does not exist here, I have all the paperwork to prove it. The populace is heavily taxed from every angle, fees, tickets, citations…anything and everything to milk you of every last dollar. And never mind the fact that the great state of California is essentially north Mexico now. 

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  27. Thanks for writing this article. By the way, I accidentally hit send before I was finished. I am a Washingtonian and native Montanan. My husband is from So Cal. We live the life up here in the Evergreen state and live in a house that we bought for less than 500k on an island but that would cost 5 million in So Cal. I know sometimes he feels bad about staying here because his family has chosen to willingly stay in the dump that So Cal has become. I believe their pride prevents them from moving. They could not possibly admit they were wrong (because that’s how they are.)  I don’t like So Cal at all. Each time I visit I think “the emperor has no clothes.” Everyone says So Cal is the place to be, but then I visit and I feel like I have descended into hell itself. This is in contrast to where we live now, which is AMAZING. The beach is only 200 feet from where we live and we can see seals, sea lions, porpoises, and sometimes orca anytime we like. People are friendly. It’s safe. It’s  not over-run by illegals and in fact I never see any illegals. Almost all of WA State is like this, save a few pockets of Seattle itself. Seattle is going straight to the dump too. UGH. But, any of the smaller towns in WA are just fantastic for anyone who likes safe, friendly areas full of nature wherever you go. Seattle is liberal, but the rest of WA is not. The rest of WA tends to have their head on straight, unlike the liberal indoctrination that occurs in Seattle. I love raising kids here and I am proud that they are born and bred Evergreeners. 

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    • I was born in very Northern California on a farm. what has happened to this state is criminal. I’m 84 so will be exiting soon. I used to love this state.

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  28. Hey, life long Angeleno here and let me tell you, this is fully on point. I left LA for a few years, but came back because I got home sick. Bad move. LA changed so much in just a few years, I didn’t even recognize it. The traffic is worse, the cost of doing fun things like Disneyland is worse, the cost of living is worse. I’m married without kids, and while I really want them, I’m afraid to here. I also work as support staff in Beverly Hills and used to do the same work in Santa Monica. The things I hear teachers teach their kids raised many eyebrows! Oh my gosh! Things have just gotten so bad! It’s also really hard as I’ve lived here basically for three decades and the strong majority of my life, and I really see this place as home, but I just don’t know if I can keep it up anymore. It’s gut wrenching for me. Due to some issues, my wife and I are stuck here for at least another year. Once those issues are cleared up, I think we are going to hitch up our wagon train and move out. And this time, I don’t think I’ll ever be moving back, which is a little painful, but necessary. I’m still undecided on our final destination.

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    • Hi Milo, thank you for your comments, I also miss the weather but that’s it, it was a good decision for me to leave SoCal. I would like to hear more about what the teachers are teaching the kids that raised many eyebrows!

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  29. I completely agree, but the only reason I am stuck here is to help my parent’s small business and by small I mean very small populationbecause everything is too expensive,and everyone is getting sued. Then there are tons of H1B workers controlling not only the tech industries but everything from hotel positions, medical, real estate, car sales and maintenance, legal and the list goes on- who are against Americansin California and want the system to be like theirs in their own country. So many immigrants are allowed to take advantageof the system. Now I hear Texas is also having tons of that as well.

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  30. I’m 23, just graduated college and have lived in California my whole life. I want to move out of California because I see the all the issues you mention in this article and are noticing more and more businesses closing their doors. Where do you recommend moving? 

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  31. AGREE!!!!  My husband is stationed in San Diego so we are trapped here against our will!  

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  32. I’ll tell you this. Throughout my lifetime I’ve been stuck in Southern California and there are literally no good deeds that have been handed to me. Everything is expensive.. Gas is expensive (And of which is pointless because of our HORRIBLE traffic issues).. HIGH regulations on ALL guns asides from shotguns.. (which makes no sense..) And just the pure shed of 100 degree heat every single day asides from winters, where it goes from 50 degrees in mornings to 80 in afternoon. No rain..  Also all those gun laws… Did they help stop any crimes including firearms? Not really, It only gave the person more charges…

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  33. Well, shoot. I was considering moving to Northern California– about 45 minutes out of Sacramento. I’m a technical writer, and I have seen jobs posted in my field. Is this a bad call? I would be looking to move around the first of the year.

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    • If you ask me, I say yes it’s a bad call. This is coming from someone who moved to California several years ago and just left California. Unless you enjoy being a minority in your own country, being around people of whom the majority of which can’t speak English, prices being ridiculously absurd, do I need to go on? Just read the list above. There are many other cities in the U.S. which pay similarly or even much more relatively, when you consider California living expenses. In the end, it’s up to you, but I would strongly warn against making the mistake of moving to California.

      p.s. even if you can get a job there, remember that you’re constantly competing with 10,000 immigrants willing to take your job for half the pay. So keep that in mind – job security is absolutely not guaranteed, assuming you can even get a middle-class job there. If you are middle class, even middle-upper class, you will really struggle in California. And if you make less than $50,000 in California, well that is lower-class in California, you’re not going to survive.

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      • $50K? You live nowhere in California with that! In the bay area, less than 150K is hell! How do you pay $3800 in rent for a 2BR, gas, food and taxes on $50K? No way! I moved to California because my husband was in the Military, 6 years ago. Since he retired, we are trying desperately to move from this hell. While we are among the happy few who are well above 6 figures, I am advising people against moving here also!  What kind of quality of life do you have when the slightest shopping trip takes you 4 hours on the road due to politics who are more worried about serving corporate interests (that are paying them an absurd amount of money) rather than fixing the roads and serving the rest of the population? Even one of the giants of the Pharmaceutical industry, I am working for, cannot hire statisticians because they do not want to move here… MAYBE at one point are Sacramento politicians going to realize that their boat is sinking and that all sailors are jumping ship?

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    • It’s actually a good idea.m Sacramento’s housing is much cheaper than the bay area and southern California and a job as a technical worker in the bay area pay  a lot more than most cities. Only move to California if you are going into high tech or healthcare and work in the bay area. Don’t go to Southern Cal. because it has little benefits. The best is if you live in Sacramento and commute to the bay area. [If you can stand 2 hour drive]

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  34. I moved here from the East Coast 10 years ago and I cannot wait to leave and move back.  Southern California is terrible place to raise families.  It’s super expensive to live here that results to poor quality of life because all you do is work to afford to live in SoCal. People are assholes and fakes, they act nice to your face but then stab you in the back.  Traffic is ridiculous, there is always a jam in any major highway no matter what route you take.  The weather is HOT most of the time, it rarely rains.  Air quality is poor, there are even days where you cannot go outside due to the SMOG brought in by the Santa Ana Winds.I finally sold my house and will be moving back East next month where there are Seasons and Rain.

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  35. the final straw with Jerry Brown’s anti-gun legislation I’m leaving to Arizona this year

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      people are so nice, it’s America again. The speed limits are faster and less
      traffic, no tickets here. It’s like being free and all American again.
      The weather is better here as well, our friends live in other parts of AZ and
      off route 66. The land is cheaper, the water is good for wells and owning a
      home is much affordable, the people are nice and proper. Also our friends
      moved from Norco CA to Snowflake AZ and the ground is cheap and water
      table there. They have many horses and 20 acres, so happy and retired in Snowflake AZ.

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  36. I am so glad you posted this. I am 46 and have lived in LA county for 23 years. Now, my native Californian husband and I are selling our home, our small rental property, every stick of our furniture and are moving to north Texas. For every reason that you mentioned plus, the fact that my husband who has worked and commutes for over 20 years finds himself out of work for 18 months and counting. After applying for over 300 jobs (I’m not kidding) he has had 3 interviews. No jobs are anything other than “contract” now so they don’t have to provide healthcare (thanks Obama). When he applies, he is asked in what currency he wishes to be paid, since he is competing with foreigners. He just showed me a photo from a company site that showed all their recent hires, all 20 something Asian females. Males were only interns. Wow, his incredible education and experience doesn’t count. But if you can work a miniskirt, you’re in! So Bye Bye California. Thanks for the massive equity. I am getting a house for cash in a place where Americans aren’t discriminated against.

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  37. When all all political correctness is removed the truth comes out. This is a must read. 

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  38. I am there sista! I was born and raised in California. At 35 on July 15th, I am taking my Mini Cooper, my son, my dog, and my California wages to Houston. I can’t wait!!! This place has been sucking us dry. And you hit the nail on the head on ALL of the issues Ca is facing. I am not going to buy some over priced **** hole just to say I live in Cali.

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    • Have you visited Houston? You might want to visit before you move there. There are a lot of the same issues in Houston, and some others as well. It isn’t as bad as California for sure, but there are better places.

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      • Funny you say that. My family is from Houston and my cousins have migrated out to the bigger cities around there and when we came out in March my cousin said that all these Californias are sucking the life out of their towns and raising rents, etc. he said, “thank you for visiting but go home.” Not to us of course! But it does make you wonder if Texas will soon be a more humid version of CA. 

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        • sadly it really has( or atleast is well on its way to be CA) I live in west central Austin now and even though I make close to the average house hold income(by myself) I am trapped into renting or buying an hour away. areas on the east side that 10 years ago where 100k are now 4 times that and if your near downtown ive seen places go up 10 times what they where worth a decade ago. If your moving to texas north houston areas like the woodlands and spring are nice even south west in seabrook and league city are nice coastal areas, addison denton and fort worth in north texas..corpus christi is a hidden gem if you can find work down there. and austin is stil home to me so i might be bias but there is alot of tech jobs here and great things to do, if your ccan afford 300k plus in the city for a condo or town house you can find some ok ones or live in a decent house half an hour away anything less.. the pay here hasnt quite caught up to the cost of living and inflated housing market (ive read ~25% ) but all in all its a pretty good place to live. Ive always wanted to live in california and enjoy the ocean and the mountains so close but very few of my friends have been able to make a life out there espeacially the ones that moved to san clemente/ southern CA

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        • That’s funny, 40 years ago that’s what all the Californians were saying to all the liberal East Coasters who were watching all the programs based in CA and moving out there. What a mess it has been since. Everywhere I ‘do’ find that is good and move—here they come–gee what’s that all about??

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  39. We are moving to South Dakota, for all of the reasons you have stated, and a few more.  The tipping point was when we had to pay a lumber “tax” because we bought wood originating from outside of California.  Completely ridiculous!

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  40. “Vaccines, which are proven to cause neurological issues, are being forced on the population.”
    I want to know more about this, can you please provide some sources? Thanks.

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    • http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm
      http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Vaccinations–Know-the-risks-and-failures-.aspx

      If you want to read some real studies, here are 100 studies proving the dangers of vaccines. If you have the time, do read all of them.
      http://www.activistpost.com/2011/09/100-compiled-studies-on-vaccine-dangers.html

      Even the U.S. Government agrees that vaccines are dangerous:
      http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/27/vaccines-are-dangerous-says-the-government.aspx

      But even if you don’t read all that, there is very simple common sense evidence. Mercury is known to be a toxin. In fact, whole schools are evacuated if one mercury thermometer breaks. Yet, this same mercury is injected directly into your body in vaccines! Mercury has been commonly used as a vaccine preservative for decades. It is in each and every vaccine. Not a small amount either, since only a very small amount of mercury is all that is needed to be toxic.

      So why are vaccines given? Easy. Vaccines are a trillion-dollar business. It is simply a product, and a product which can easily create demand by scaring and brainwashing people into taking them. However, why they put poison into the vaccines is another issue. They could easily put sugar water and manufacture studies saying this “special” sugar water cures the flu, and millions would let themselves be injected with sugar water. It would have no less benefit than current vaccines which are proven to have about zero effect, but at least then they wouldn’t be poisoning everyone and murdering babies with vaccine shots (aka “SIDS”; sudden infant death “syndrome” actually often occurs shortly after the baby is given a vaccine, and then the baby dies from the vaccine).

      As a side note, funny story. I was just in Southern California last week, and I went in Albertson’s (a grocery store) 3 times to get some food over the period of three days. Every time I went in the first thing I heard was advertising on the radio to get vaccines! And the same message was played multiple times during every visit. Unbelievable. Of course, at the end of the advertisement, they said the disclaimer, “this message was paid for by [the name of the vaccine sales company]”. Typical California brainwashing.

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    • Even the rabies vaccine for dogs has mercury my holistic vet noted since
      the dog was tested for heavy metal poison. You are so correct! Thank you
      John for sharing this information and websites from a neurologist.

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  41. I left Sacramento July 22nd, 2015 for Phoenix AZ and I could not be happier.
    I had to move 9 times in 3 years in California, and now I have lived 1 place in Phoenix for 9 months.  I’m sure glad I moved and encourage most Californians to leave that socialist utopia.

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    • My goodness, I feel you. I’ve moved 10 times in the last 6 years thanks to insane rent prices and lack of affordable housing. Hotels, terrible roommate situations (so many people addicted to meth and prescription meds),one studio apartment being condemned, a house in SoCal I had to leave because of biting insects brought out by the drought…it’s been ridiculous.

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  42. Agreed. I can’t wait to get out of here. I have been here for over 21 years and have never really felt like part of the area. People are such assholes. They have no culture, have attitude, are rude, and are grossly obese. Everyone seems to spend for the moment, and they have the worst sports fans in America. If you are white, you are a minority And you are at a disadvantage here. Prices are exorbitant and food is nowhere near as good as back east. Pizza sucks and expensive if you can find a half way decent slice. No NY style chinese food here. Very PC. Drivers suck. Yeah the weather is great here in the South Bay, but I really do miss a good thunderstorm every once in awhile. Summer’s can drive you crazy since the weather is hot and dry without a cloud in the sky and no breeze. 

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  43. Of course, all above mentioned points are true. Even I as a guy who is originated from Asia, California is the worst state. I can’t even count how many times Californians flake on me. Whenever I try to arrange a meeting, my friends tend to use various excuses to do something else. Not only that, their ridiculous laws even ban street vendors selling healthy foods. California bans everything whenever something offend some random people. Also why should I be forced to learn the language other than English because those illegal immigrants are becoming majority in the State?

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    • Go to Santa Monicabeach and you will see illegals selling food and cheap beach stuff up and down the beach.Went to the Hollywood bowl and after you get out there are illegal food operations everywhere.  Selling without permits and no one shuts them down.

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  44. I’ve lived in california for 19 years. The ONLY good that came out of it was meeting my beautiful wife there. That is it. The weather is horrible!!. It is sunny and dry ALL the time. Sometimes it gets to 90 degrees during winter with santa ana winds blasting. Shallow, idiotic people. Mexican music blasting 2 in the morning and gang culture everywhere. Draconian fascist gun legislature. Overall, Commiefornia is a Dump. Overrated Dump. It leaks poisonous culture all over the world. Mindless celebrity rap gangsta consumerist, GO GREEN culture. In a nut shell, living in California is like paying price of a lexus for a ford pinto. DO NOT move to California. DO NOT above all admire the culture that comes out of there. California is a carefully put together Public Relations sham and sold to public by people like Edwards Bernays. So, read books, stay sharp and avoid California at all costs.

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    • Agreed. I can’t wait to get out of here. I have been here for over 21 years and have never really felt like part of the area. People are such assholes. They have no culture, have attitude, are rude, and are grossly obese. Everyone seems to spend for the moment, and they have the worst sports fans in America. If you are white, you are a minority And you are at a disadvantage here. Prices are exorbitant and food is nowhere near as good as back east. Pizza sucks and expensive if you can find a half way decent slice. No NY style chinese food here. Very PC. Drivers suck. Yeah the weather is great here in the South Bay, but I really do miss a good thunderstorm every once in awhile. Summer’s can drive you crazy since the weather is hot and dry without a cloud in the sky and no breeze. 

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  45. We moved to Idaho after our son, our daughter and their families moved.  No regrets!  The people are friendly, the cost of living is way less and the fresh air, beautiful country and overall peace of mind, body and soul, made it totally worth it!  California is no place to raise a child if you want them to grow up with value, respect and love of those around you.  California is no place to raise a child if you want them to be WHO GOD CREATED THEM TO BE!  Freedom of rights and value have been stolen by the government in California along with our ability to live without being taxed to live a comfortable life!  Beware people. ….California is only going to get worse!  It’s already horrible!

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    • Whereabouts in Idaho did you move to? My wife, I and our 3 young boys are getting the hell out of CA. Boise has been on our list for a year now and as soon as my wife gets her transfer approved out there, we are gone! Paying $2200 for a 2 bedroom apt and 1 car detached garage is not going to cut it for us any longer here. Enough is enough!!!!!

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  46. Wow! I am so glad I am not crazy and someone else can see, what I see. Everyone who I tell I am leaving, tells me I am crazy and that I will suffer a pay cut in other areas. At this point ,I don’t care. I am 28, and I am actually looking to own a home and live in a safer and more peaceful place. Everything is insanely expensive (housing) in Anaheim and traffic is insane, even when compared to 10 years ago. Looking to leave no later then next year.

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    • So many people fail to make the connection between salary and cost of living. Sure, you can move to someplace like Texas and make $80K a year as opposed to CA where that 80K job would pay 200K or more. The difference is, you can live comfortably just about anywhere in Texas on 80K and probably work on your savings as well. In CA, you’d be living paycheck to paycheck and struggling.

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  47. My family (both sides)settled Northern California in the mid 1850’s. When someone asks my nationality I respond “Californian”. However, I left my state in the mid ’80s. Unfortunately I saw the writing on the wall, the degradation,of the cities, the liberal agenda, the skyrocketing cost of living and the major change in the faces of the “incoming residents ” to name a few reasons. my brother is the only member of my family’s long history that still lives in San Francisco.When he is gone, our heritage dies with him. I am blessed that I grew up during a time when California was the best state in the US and I’m saddened to see and hear, from across the country, about my home’s demise. I left California with good memories. 

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  48. My family (both sides)settled Northern California in the mid 1850’s. When someone asks my nationality I respond “Californian). However, I left my state in the mid ’80s. Unfortunately I saw the writing on the wall, the degradation,of the cities, the liberal agenda, the skyrocketing cost of living and the major change in the faces of the “incoming residents ” to name a few reasons  my brother is the only member of my family’s long history that still lives in San Francisco.When he is gone, our heritage dies with him. I am blessed that I grew up during a time when California was the best state in the US and I’m saddened to see and hear, from across the country, about my home’s demise. I left California with good memories. 

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  49. Interesting. I’m from Canada, considering moving to San Jose for work. Trying to find a perspective from the other side; of course, California has great PR, so it makes me wonder even more so what is or isn’t real. We probably pay more taxes in Canada (and earn less), but overall it seems even more expensive to live in California, even when you consider the higher overall income.

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    • illegal immigration is a problem, but i say watch out more for the big money coming in from china speculating on real estate and buying out properties to rent them out outpricing everyone else

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    • It is very expensive to live in California, I work in the healthcare industry and we get paid pretty well but I know of a lot people who regularly work 2-3 jobs just to sustain the lifestyle that they cannot afford and miss time with their families. I asked one of them when do they get to see their kids and the reply i got was “Facetime”. 

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    • Vik, did you make your move? I’m a Canadian considering same.

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    • You can probably weather it as pretty any country overseas makes California or New York look frugal by comparison… but by US standards, the state is over regulated, overtaxed, lacking in fiscal discipline, the Assembly is notoriously incompetent and even corrupt, and the ill-conceived Propostitions 47 and 57 alongside the repressive gun acts recently enacted are causing crime to soar…

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    • You can probably weather it as pretty much any country overseas makes California or New York look frugal by comparison… but by US standards, the state is over regulated, overtaxed, lacking in fiscal discipline, the Assembly is notoriously incompetent and even corrupt, and the ill-conceived Propostitions 47 and 57 alongside the repressive gun acts recently enacted are causing crime to soar…

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    • I appreciate this article primarily because I believe most of it, and because we moved cross country and what a difference! We were out there in November for our son’s beach wedding and although it was absolutely beautiful, it was also 85 freaking degrees on the BEACH! Could hardly breathe.

      Some people here think/thought we were crazy to move where there were seasons, but they also believe everything they see on TV or in movies. So, this is what I suggest to those who think CA is so perfect: Go to Southern or Northern CA for 6 weeks (June gloom is always “fun” on beach in Ventura County)… then come back (if you make it back) and then let me know how fabulous the traffic, smog, fire season, mudslides, earthquakes, etc., are and make a decision. CA is sort of like the difference between “dating” a person (honeymoon stage) and “living” with them. Big difference. 😎

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  50. Just found this and totally agree.  So sad there are not more places with good weather year round…

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    • There a plenty of places that have moderate weather. Why people think California has some sort of monopoly on mild weather is beyond reason. Even if it were the only place on Earth with mild weather, the other downsides make it irrelevant as the author explains quite well.

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  51. okay, a couple of  things, it was conservateves that caused the downfall, california is very conservateve not like da rest of da world.  i thing california homes are expensive and rent to high because people want too live here.  also i don’t thing climate change is a hoags.

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    • Thank you for being a shining example of how stupid or just plain ignorant liberal Californians are. As we know, California is a liberal socialist utopia, the most liberal place in the entire world. After all, Hollywood is there. Houses and rent are extremely exorbitantly overpriced not because people want to live there – in fact people can’t get away fast enough! There is a mass emigration (people leaving California) like never seen before in American history.

      Millions and millions of Americans are leaving every year, and in their place illegal mexicans are living off section 8 housing and welfare, at times living with 3 to 6 families all in one house. Sure, when you have multiple families who don’t pay taxes and who steal welfare money to pay rent, all this welfare money adds up and pays the ultra-high rent prices, when multiple families live in one house all living off welfare. And this mass immigration from foreigners and illegals is creating an artificial demand which subsequently creates an artificial housing shortage which in turn drives up housing and rent prices.

      And despite the fact that most real Americans have already left California and all the big businesses are also leaving as fast as possible, the population of California is growing at an alarming rate! But it is not an American population – it is mostly illegals, visa overstays, and extended “visits” (indefinite stays) by Asians whose elite ultra rich of their 1.3 billion Chinese population are buying up housing creating an artificial housing shortage in California. The entire city of Irvine is completely owned by Asians for example. There is not one American flag flying anywhere, and almost no one speaks English. Also, Businesses are bringing in cheap labor from India as well as Pakistan and other muslim countries and paying them big dollars – all of which is being sent back to their home countries and siphoned out of the American economy.

      As far as the global warming scam, it has already been scientifically disproven. Anyone who still supports the global warming propaganda is tremendously ignorant. Check out my other post which talks about that hoax. http://thetechreader.com/movies/the-great-global-warming-swindle-full-documentary-scientific-proof-that-global-warming-is-a-hoax/

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      • John: In my experience—CA is the test state. If they get away with it there, then all of this will be coming to your state as well. Has a deal been struck with China to pay back our debt to them?

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        • China isn’t who the U.S. owes the big money to. Only $1.115 trillion is owed to China. In fact we owe Japan more, $1.131 trillion. However both of these combined pale in comparison to what the U.S. Government owes the American people!

          Over 7 trillion of the U.S. National debt is owed to the American people. Over $5 trillion was stolen from Social Security, Military Retirement Fund, Office of Personnel Management Retirement Fund, Medicare, and other Retirement Funds adding up to 5 trillion dollars! Another 1.2 trillion was stolen from government Pension Funds! $1 trillion more was taken from Mutual Funds.

          Money owed to the American people actually makes up more than all foreign debt combined! China only owns a small percentage of the U.S national debt.

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    • people do not want to live there, they are moving in record numbers. Housing is expensive because liberals hate cutting down trees to build more homes, among other nonsense

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      • Have lived in California Central Valley all of my life – 38 years. Right now, the highway 99 corridor is plastered with billboards in Spanish with “vote” crossed out saying “vota” – a man raising his fist adorned with accompanying Virgin Mary tattoo. I have counted dozens of these. I don’t even know what country I live in. When I drive East 5 hours the graffiti dissipates, the people start to speak English again, and people actually open the door for you when you go to the grocery store. The school system was wonderful here in the 60s and 70s, but now the focus is primarily on English Language Learners. Yes, you will earn more $ in Cali, enjoy an occasional drive to a beach or mountain vista, but you have some enormous trade offs.

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        • This is tragic – I googled it and wasn’t hard to find. Look at these communists. Outrageous:

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